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November 3, 2012, at 2:03 pm
by Jim Sinclair

My Dear Friends,

What I know and Bernanke knows is that your vote next week in the USA is for immediate (9 months) collapse or for the test coming between 2015 and 2017. You have the right to select the time of the end. This choice of leadership is between the devil you know or the devil you do not know.

The choice of next week’s election in the USA is gold at and above $3500 either immediately defined as within 6 to 9 months from now, or in 2015-2017. The US dollar will trade at USDX .7200 and lower in the same timeframes resulting from your vote.

Choose wisely,
Jim

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dus, goud boven $3.500 komt mogelijk komende maanden, of anders in de periode 2015-2017.
2016 is in Armstrong/s waves een belangrijk reversal jaar, dus de top in goud zou zo maar in- of voor 2016 aan de korte power uptrend kunnen beginnen (die PUT/s duren meestal slechts enige maanden en daarna is het FIN).
Dus, zoals Sinclair ook schrijft, na deze rhino horn valt goud weer terug en is de goldbull voorbij!
Op welke prijs goud daarna gaat stabilizeren, is koffiedik kijken .... ;)
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Indiana Jones wrote:Dus, zoals Sinclair ook schrijft, na deze rhino horn valt goud weer terug en is de goldbull voorbij!
Op welke prijs goud daarna gaat stabilizeren, is koffiedik kijken .... ;)

hmm, het blijft sowieso voor een groot stuk "koffiedik kijken"
hij/zij die de onmiddellijke, MLT of LT-toekomst met een exacte timing kan voospellen, is een glazen bol zelve

ikke niet :)
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doubleyou wrote:
Indiana Jones wrote:Dus, zoals Sinclair ook schrijft, na deze rhino horn valt goud weer terug en is de goldbull voorbij!
Op welke prijs goud daarna gaat stabilizeren, is koffiedik kijken .... ;)

hmm, het blijft sowieso voor een groot stuk "koffiedik kijken"
hij/zij die de onmiddellijke, MLT of LT-toekomst met een exacte timing kan voospellen, is een glazen bol zelve
ikke niet :)
..... en werkt bij JPMorgan of Goldman Sachs ....
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Kijk, als de prijs in 10 jaar van $380 naar $1700 gaat (x4,5), zonder dat er rare dingen gebeuren met de dollar (de gewone inflatie correctie zeg maar), dan is een prijs over een jaar of 5 van $7500 ook niet vreemd. Als de dollar wel rake klappen krijgt om wat voor reden dan ook, zit je zomaar op verdubbelde getallen (omhoog én omlaag).

Bovendien moet je je niet teveel aan die getallen ophangen. Het is een "moving target", dus je kan het beter vastleggen door te kijken naar randvariabelen. Historisch is dat bijvoorbeeld een omslagpunt, als er een sluitend budget komt in de overheidsbegroting, om de inflatie te stoppen. Misschien is dat in de toekomst het moment dat we GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) gaan toepassen op de overheidbegroting.

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Germany Reacts To The Retiring Treasury Secretary’s Parting Shot

January 16, 2013, at 1:05 pm
by Jim Sinclair

My Dear Friends,

I respectfully disagree with most of the explanations given today on the why of German actions in gold. My understanding is that the causal event of this notification actually came from the actions of the US Exchange Stabilization Fund and the long term plans to strengthen the euro.

I have published a chart from Patrick showing the extreme change in the ratio of gold to fiat currency presently being held in reserve by Euroland.

First you need to understand what the Exchange Stabilization Fund is and is not. It is an account at a major gold bank in the name of the Exchange Stabilization Fund. This fund can legally trade in gold and does. The President of the USA and the Secretary of the US Treasury run this fund. Those two managers by law are permitted to designate another manager if they wish. The fund can trade long or short, borrow or lend anything. Basically this is a an account that can legally do anything it wants whenever it wants in secret as the year end statement can easily be brought to only benign activates by warehousing all the trades.

Their broker is quite an expert in that strategy to wash year-end positions for clients.

What occurred as I am told is an act in Germany in reaction to a parting shot from the retiring Secretary of the US Treasury via the Exchange Stabilization Fund.

When gold traded at $1918 it was setting up for a challenge of a very important round number, $2000. The sell off was a product of long liquidation in an anticipation of $2000 in a fast market. Gold did fall on its own weight into the $1800 area, however the body block at $1800, $1775 and $1750 was a product of the Exchange Stabilization Fund operating as an account of a major Gold Bank. Seeing that, this gold bank went to the short side for the account of its hedge funds and not wholly owned trading arm. This gold bank issued a public statement that the gold market was dead as a doornail, finished and completed.

On the level of central banking there are no secrets. The long term plan for the currency war between the euro and the dollar is a derivation of the Free Gold Thesis. That means a significant change in the percentage of fiat currency versus gold at market value held by Euroland as reserves. This thesis has a target for cooperating Asian central banks for gold holdings at no less than 15% at market value. I question some of the thesis of Free Gold thinkers, but much of it has been in my writing for more than a decade on what the end game recovery will look like.

I am told that the parting shot to break gold’s back by the Exchange Stabilization Fund was considered a direct attack on the Euro strategy for what the end game recovery will look like. The Free Gold thesis requires significantly higher gold prices to work and to elevate the euro back in reserve by choice category.

The German reaction was not political but rather a direct warning that they could demand return of their gold just like DeGaulle of France did in the 60s by making a direct and immediate demand for conversion of the US dollar holdings into Gold.

A major central bank will not insult another major central bank unless it is an act of financial war. It has not come to that yet, but it is not that far away. It is 2015 to 2017 and not 2020.

The reason that gold is relatively firm after the media leak and release on the night of the 14th is that I am not the only person who knows the real story. The price of gold will go to and beyond $3500. Gold will be market to market by the majority, if not all, major central banks. This will balance the balance sheet of the many and major debtor nations and will provide the platform for recovery after unwinding.

Respectfully,
Jim

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sinclair: This gold bank issued a public statement that the gold market was dead as a doornail, finished and completed.

Dec. 5, 2012, 8:40 a.m. EST
Goldman Sachs cuts gold outlook, sees growing risk.
We see growing downside risks and that the cycle in gold prices will likely turn in 2013.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/goldma ... 2012-12-05

Het kan bijna niet anders, dat Sinclair doelt op Goldman Sachs. Immers de outlook van andere grote Amerikaanse banken was voor zover mij bekend nog steeds positief.
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Indiana Jones wrote:Immers de outlook van andere grote Amerikaanse banken was voor zover mij bekend nog steeds positief.
Klopt Indy, de anderen waren positief tot heel positief.
Hoe gaan ze anders weer aan dat fysiek geraken om naar Duitsland te verschepen als ze allemaal héél positief zijn over goud. :lol:

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Wat bedoelt Sinclair nu (denk ik :? )

Aan de ene kant moet goud MtM op alle CB balansen komen te staan (Europa was de eerste met MtM goud op de ECB balans).
Aan de andere kant zal het (nadat de valuta oorlog uitgestreden is) binnen bandbreedten gaan bewegen, wat overheidsbemoeienis impliceert.
Dus free-gold MtM en contained-gold Governments -> dubble bind !.
Het lijkt niet te kunnen, maar als je 'out of the box' kunt denken, is deze dubble bind wel degelijk mogelijk ... Zal een hoop onderling overheids-gekibbel blijven geven en vereist dus ook nieuwe instituten (zoals vervanging huidige IMF en Wereldbank).
Dat betekent dus géén freegold avant la lettre (fofoa-freegold), maar wél een indirecte goudcomponent in de nieuwe digitale reserve valuta (Bretton Woods 2.0).

Op 15 Augustus 1971 verliet de V.S. de Bretton Woods 1.0 afspraken door de dollar los te maken van goud (het werd toen een oliedollar). Feitelijk had destijds een Bretton Woods 2.0 georganiseerd moeten worden. Goud reageerde daarop in eerste instantie door fors te stijgen, maar kon daarna weer neervallen. Immers, de USD bleef keuze-reserve valuta (by choice) omdat deze gedekt was door olie. Thans is dat niet meer het geval en dekt zelfs de Amerikaanse economie de dollar niet meer (binnenand niet en buitenland al helemaal niet), dus is het een reserve currency by default geworden (aanhouden bij gebrek aan beter).

Euro:
Naast de USD kwam de Euro op als reserve currency by choice.
Gepaard gaand met de Europese crisis, werd ook de Euro een reserve currency by default.

Het lijkt erop dat Europa thans een meer-sporen beleid voert:
- repareren wat er nog niet goed geregeld is in de unie (gebeurt stapje voor stapje);
- hopen dat de euro nog even als reserve currency geaccepteerd wordt, al is het dan 'by default' (China laat zien dat het de Euro niet laat vallen);
- de Europese economie weer aanzwengelen (trekken aan een oud paard, maar met een beetje geluk moet het kunnen);
- de ECB reserve steunen door MtM goud, zodat er enerzijds niet teveel dollars op staan en anderzijds de klappen van dollardevaluatie opgevangen kunnen worden;
- weten dat niet alleen de dollar flink aan KoopKracht gaat verliezen, maar ook (hoewel in mindere mate) de Euro.

Dollar:
Sinclair hint er ook op, dat het niet uit te sluiten is, dat zelfs de V.S. strakjes óók hun goud MtM op de balans zullen zetten om de dollar zelf steun te geven als het geen reserve valuta meer is. Tot nu toe blijft de V.S. in haar oude stramien van wereld(valuta)macht hangen en vechten democraten en republikeinen elkaar de tent uit. Er worden dus kennelijk weinig voorbereidingen getroffen op hetgeen dat komen gaat. Sinclair meldt dan ook niet zelden dat de Euro er thans beter voor staat dan de dollar, al hoopt hij wel dat de EU door gaat met hervormen, anders wordt het drama!

Nieuwe Digitale Wereld Reserve Valuta:
Áls de dollar haar rol als reserve valuta op moet geven en in FX waarde zakt (volgens Sinclair naar ongeveer .52 in de thans nog bestaande USDX), dan zullen de andere CB's wél t.a.v. hun gedevalueerde reserves gecompenseerd moeten worden, anders ontstaat er één groot valutadrama. Immers, de schulden moeten weggeïnflateerd worden, want op een andere manier kom je er niet meer af. Als de Euro- en Dollar reserves nergens meer door gesteund worden, kunnen ze op een gegeven moment in een vrije val raken en wordt het dus ruilhandel + armageddon overal op de wereld.
Omdat de Euro slechts een kleine rol als reserve valuta is toebedeeld, maar de dollar nog immer een hele grote rol is toebedeeld, moet je dus kijken wat de buitenlandse dollar reserve in goudprijs uitgedrukt is, om een idee te krijgen waar goud naar toe kan gaan als de dollar waardeloos wordt (zie onderstaande posts uit 2011 op jsmineset).

Wat dan de uiteindelijke goudprijs gaat worden, kan ik slechts over gokken en dat doe ik dus nu maar even niet.

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Volgens mij heeft Sinclair destijds dáárom onderstaand rekensommetje door zijn lezers in laten vullen: ->->->->

The Mathematics Of Gold
May 26, 2011, at 10:51 am
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Dear CIGAs,

Little by little, I am passing on ALL that I have learned from Jesse through Bert and Bert’s knowledge to those that read here, every day, in thanks for your support of me and mine.
–JEBS (James Edwin Bertram Sinclair)

Assumption:
Because gold is held by many central banks, once as a reserve currency but now as an inventory currency, it functions as a swing asset to balance the International Balance sheet of the US.

Central banks are sellers of dollars but still hold, by default, large dollar inventories.
China has hedged its dollar position 50% through commitments to long term dollar commercial agreements, pay in, mineral, and energy deals internationally. That is an act of pure genius.
We can assume other central banks still hold 90% of their reported dollar positions, on average unhedged by commercial obligation positions.
In crisis times, the US dollar price of gold ALWAYS seeks to balance the International Balance Sheet of the USA.

Therefore:
Take 90% of international US dollar debt less China and then add 50% of the US debt owned by China. Then divide that number by the ounces supposed to be owned by the US Treasury. The result is where gold wants to go.
In 1974 this gave me $900 gold. Now you do your homework, and submit your analysis to me. Do this, and I will give you Angels going to that price by a little known technique of Jesse Livermore that only works on gold after it has broken to a new high above all resistance.
Little by little I am passing on all that I have learned from Jesse through Bert to those that read every day in thanks for your support of me and mine.

Jim

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June 7, 2011, at 1:28 pm
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Dear Jim,

The following is an analysis of your Mathematics of Gold. The analysis was conducted by our summer intern and we thought it may be of interest to your readers.

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Case: The Mathematics of Gold

International US dollar debt: $4.4792 trillion (approximately 32% of total US debt of $14.32 trillion)

Portion of international US dollar debt held by China: $1.1449 trillion
90% of total US international debt less portion held by China = 0.90 * ($4.4792 trillion – $1.1449 trillion) = $3.00087 trillion (A)
50% of international US dollar debt held by China = 0.50 * $1.1449 trillion = $0.57245 trillion (B)

Total foreign currency reserves held by People’s Bank of China (Central Bank): $3.045 trillion
Therefore, A + B = $3.57332 trillion (C)
Total US holdings of gold = 8,133.5 tonnes = 8,133.5 * 35,273.9619 = 286.900770 million ounces (D)
Therefore, C/D = $12,454.8986 per ounce ~ $12,455 per ounce

Balance of Payments is an account of financial flows between a country and the rest of the world. It consists of the Current account and the Capital account. Current account consists of the trading account (exports minus imports of good and services), income account (factor payments from abroad minus factor payments to abroad) and the transfer payments account (foreign aid received minus foreign aid disbursed). Capital account, which is in surplus on account of increasing foreign investments in US treasury securities and in deficit for increased US investments in foreign securities and reserves. A surplus in the current account should always be balanced by a deficit in the capital account and vice-versa. That is, the balance of payments must always balance.

Suppose the balance of payments account does not balance. Then there are two options to balance BOP, first, the Central Bank of the country (in this case US Federal Reserve) should increase/reduce its reserves, that is the Central Bank’s holdings of foreign currencies and gold to bring BOP to balance.

Second, if the Central Bank cannot increase/decrease its reserves or has decided against changing its existing reserve holdings, then the exchange rate of the country’s currency will be decided by the market and the government will not have any control over its currency.

Now, US has a current account deficit and the BOP is balanced by capital account surplus. If the BOP was not in balance and if US wanted to keep the existing exchange rates fixed, assuming it had a BOP deficit (international debt we calculated above), then it would either have to sell foreign exchange reserves or appropriate amount of gold to the tune of $12,455 per ounce.

Thus, to balance the US government balance sheet, its holdings of gold should be valued at $12,455 per ounce.

Present market value of gold = $1,528.80 per troy ounce = $1,528.80 / 1.09714286 per ounce = $1,393.44 per ounce. This means that gold is heavily undervalued at it existing market price. Thus the price of gold has to be raised 8.94 times ($12,455/$1,393.44) ~ 9 times to the present price of gold for US balance sheet to balance.

References:
1. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
2. Link: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... ts/mfh.txt
3. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_reserves
4. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
5. Link: http://finance.yahoo.com/
Ayan Kole,
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University of Oklahoma
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The Significance Of $1650
January 18, 2013, at 7:57 am
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Ian,

The answer to your first question is because at $1650 a great deal of the present level of Western financial dislocation is fully priced.

For your second question, I believe it will begin later this year as gold begins to take on the mantle of the only tool that can be used to balance the balance sheets of the major deficit nations with the largest economies. This will occur by default as there simply is no other tool to restructure world finance. This will occur in the cash market for gold. The key to timing is the US Treasury market.

Respectfully yours,
Jim
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Nu (bovenstaande post) weten we het dus, maar snapt iedereen het ook ?

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Question to Jim:
You state in your recent post about $1650 Gold being a very important number. My first question is this why we are having so much trouble overcoming this number?
Answer:
The answer to your first question is because at $1650 a great deal of the present level of Western financial dislocation is fully priced.
Indiana Jones wrote: 'Als je het weet, dan snap je het' (Johan Cruijff)

Nu (bovenstaande post) weten we het dus, maar snapt iedereen het ook ?

;) Indy
Tja, zo'n typisch cryptisch schrijfsel. Ik denk dat hij bedoelt dat volgens de oude Westerse methode en gebruiken goud op 1650 wel zo'n beetje het maximum kan zijn, zonder dat goud gaat schreeuwen (als barometer) dat ons financiële systeem volledige fantasie is.

Question to Jim:
My second question is how long before we leave it behind and start rising to the other targets of your angels?
Answer:
For your second question, I believe it will begin later this year as gold begins to take on the mantle of the only tool that can be used to balance the balance sheets of the major deficit nations with the largest economies. This will occur by default as there simply is no other tool to restructure world finance. This will occur in the cash market for gold. The key to timing is the US Treasury market.
Dus goud gaat stijgen als enige overgebleven oplossing om de balansen van de grootste schulden-landen weer enigszins normaal te krijgen. Dat moet gaan gebeuren in de cash-markt voor goud (dus niet kijken naar de Crimex, maar bijvoorbeeld naar de premies op goud en zilver in met name Hongkong). En de timing is wanneer de rente op US Treasuries gaat stijgen.
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