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Nogmaals grote dank Gwyde.
fantastisch boek.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/10/2 ... ropaganda/

nice one

“Isn’t the Comex just a price suppression scheme as the volume is usually 50% to 100% of open interest?” That is up there with communism. We just answered that in the Swiss press that published the Socialists who claim that commodities are higher than they should be because of speculation and therefore all futures markets should be closed to eliminate speculation. This is the pinnacle of pure stupidity. Every study shows that markets reduce volatility and the price of a commodity is stabilized by creating a market. If there was no COMEX, the price of gold would be far less because you could not sell it without a market. I was a market-maker. All the stores buying gold would not have existed if they could not have sold what the bought from the public, someone refined that jewelry, and then resold it into COMEX. If you want no markets, I will be be glad to send you a Karl Marx TShirt I suggest you wear.

Jammer dat Marty nooit deze vraag beantwoord. De vraag is niet of dat handel en speculatie zou moeten bestaan (ja, dat moet, dat is de markt), maar hoeveel procent van open interest op manipulatie begint te lijken. Met de huidige papier volumes ten opzichte van de werkelijke flow, is de markt hoogst ontvankelijk voor manipulatie. Los van de vraag of manipulatie wel/niet mag, of hoe je manipulatie moet definiëren.

Rasta wrote:

“Isn’t the Comex just a price suppression scheme as the volume is usually 50% to 100% of open interest?” That is up there with communism. We just answered that in the Swiss press that published the Socialists who claim that commodities are higher than they should be because of speculation and therefore all futures markets should be closed to eliminate speculation. This is the pinnacle of pure stupidity. Every study shows that markets reduce volatility and the price of a commodity is stabilized by creating a market. If there was no COMEX, the price of gold would be far less because you could not sell it without a market. I was a market-maker. All the stores buying gold would not have existed if they could not have sold what the bought from the public, someone refined that jewelry, and then resold it into COMEX. If you want no markets, I will be be glad to send you a Karl Marx TShirt I suggest you wear.

Jammer dat Marty nooit deze vraag beantwoord. De vraag is niet of dat handel en speculatie zou moeten bestaan (ja, dat moet, dat is de markt), maar hoeveel procent van open interest op manipulatie begint te lijken. Met de huidige papier volumes ten opzichte van de werkelijke flow, is de markt hoogst ontvankelijk voor manipulatie. Los van de vraag of manipulatie wel/niet mag, of hoe je manipulatie moet definiëren.

Ik denk dat zo een beetje alles wat in de belangstelling staat verschrikkelijk gemanipuleerd wordt (of getracht wordt te manipuleren). Je zou je eerder af kunnen vragen:"bij welk item zit overheidsbelang?" want daar zal de overheid toezien dat er niet stuk gemanipuleerd wordt.
De soft-commodities is ons dagelijks eten, dus zal de overheid erop toezien dat manipulatie niet de pan uitgaat. Evenzo geldt voor de base-metals, want daaraan kan de industrie cq woningbouw kapotgaan.
Idem de valuta cq rente manipulaties, want daar staan van overheidswege ook limieten op (die worden gecapped of er worden onderzoeken met hoge boetes ingesteld). Evenzo geldt voor energy-commodities.
Individuele aandelen is de overheid niet zo'n zorg, maar wel weer de indices zoals de S&P en DJI, want die indices zitten weer vercalculeerd in economische groeicijfers cq verwachtingen.

Het overheidsbelang bij precious is van generlei waarde, dus vindt hier ongecontroleerde manipulatie plaats .... juist DAT is waar Armstrong op doelt als hij spreekt over de per saldo negatieve invloed van gold-guru's op een gezonde goudprijsontwikkeling.
Tussen de regels door geeft Armstrong dus een antwoord ....

China – Gold – Financial Capital of the World
Posted on November 4, 2013 by Martin Armstrong



QUESTION: Martin…in your previous work, I had noticed that China was due to become the world’s new hegemon by 2015.75. Several sources that I follow, one included below, indicates China’s voracious appetite for metal, something the west seems willing to accommodate at this point. It seems the lower the price goes, the more China is willing to buy. To assume the mantle of world hegemon, it makes sense that they are able to fulfill the “he who has the gold makes the rules” axiom, and at some point, they would become the gold market, much like London has been the hub for years. With reference to your recent position on the gold market and where it is likely to go, as your work suggests, it would seem foolish for the Chinese to do what they are doing. Can you comment on this please?…many thanks…b



ANSWER: Capital is shifting and China will become the financial capital of the world. But that is not likely until after 2032. The West must meltdown first. About is a chart of Britain’s debt. This illustrates that Britain peaked with World War I and the title shifted to the USA.

But people are confusing the gold buying in Asia and playing games with people to support buying gold now. This is total misrepresentation of the facts. The people buying gold in India and China are private individuals – not the governments per se. Yes, China has increased its gold reserves. But that is irrelevant. This has NOTHING to do with supporting price or anything else. The people have been unable to buy gold in the past and began buying it after 2008. That does not negate the selling trend of people in the US and Europe selling their old jewelry or the expansion in mining or the decline in investment among funds who have been net sellers for the last year.



People will return to gold ONLY when there is a crisis. The ECM turned down in 2007. Gold did not exceed the 1980 high in nominal terms until 2008. The rally was with the economic decline. You will NOT see another such rally in gold until the current wave of the ECM turns in 2015.75. We are preparing a special report dealing with this nonsense about inflation with charts showing this is just selling propaganda.



In 2011 our model TURNED UP and we called for a rise in the stock market that was correctly reported by Barrons. You cannot have the economy rising and stocks off to new highs and gold moving to new highs under the same scenarios. Everything is linked. We would NOT have been correct on the new highs in the stocks market unless we were ALSO correct about gold. You either want to make money or you like to donate to the banks and promoters. You have to understand what it is you are doing.



I understand you may WANT to believe I am wrong and gold will soar to new highs any day now. Those arguments I heard for 19 years as well between 1980 and 1999. You cannot fight the trend. The markets are NEVER wrong – people are. If a market is doing something you did not expect – trust me – you are wrong not the market.
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/11/04/15435/

mooi

Posted on November 18, 2013 by Martin Armstrong

Civil Unrest in Saudi Arabia



Perhaps because they were unable to orchestrate the invasion of Syria, the Saudis are turning now against the very people they have been using. They are now seeking to throw out of their country any undocumented person fearing that they will rise up against the government and monarchy for religiously they support no separation of state and religion.

Many of the people being thrown out are simply workers. But the sudden turn against all undocumented people is a cover for trying purge the very terrorist sympathizers they have exploited in Syria to get the pipeline. This could lead to an all out war between the Sunni and Shiite sects.
http://observers.france24.com/content/2 ... dom-expels

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En dát is heel scherp gezien door Martin. Ik hoop dat het politieke westen dit ook zo ziet, immers .... moslims hebben zich ook nooit bemoeid met de strijd tussen katholieken en gereformeerden, want dat soort oorlogen zijn de ergste wespennesten die je kunt bedenken

Laten we hopen dat het Westen zo slim is van ze niet meer extra te gaan bewapenen.
De VS heeft in Irak destijds lang genoeg gevochten tegen eigen wapens.
D'er gaat ginds in die regio wel het een en het ander uitbreken vroeg of laat en volgens mij gaat het niet alleen beperkt blijven tot die regio.

Paul wrote:

mooi

Hij doet vandaag 2 berichtjes over zijn systeem op de website (regel aanklikken):

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Is it Alive?

Rasta wrote:

“Isn’t the Comex just a price suppression scheme as the volume is usually 50% to 100% of open interest?” That is up there with communism. We just answered that in the Swiss press that published the Socialists who claim that commodities are higher than they should be because of speculation and therefore all futures markets should be closed to eliminate speculation. This is the pinnacle of pure stupidity. Every study shows that markets reduce volatility and the price of a commodity is stabilized by creating a market. If there was no COMEX, the price of gold would be far less because you could not sell it without a market. I was a market-maker. All the stores buying gold would not have existed if they could not have sold what the bought from the public, someone refined that jewelry, and then resold it into COMEX. If you want no markets, I will be be glad to send you a Karl Marx TShirt I suggest you wear.

Jammer dat Marty nooit deze vraag beantwoord. De vraag is niet of dat handel en speculatie zou moeten bestaan (ja, dat moet, dat is de markt), maar hoeveel procent van open interest op manipulatie begint te lijken. Met de huidige papier volumes ten opzichte van de werkelijke flow, is de markt hoogst ontvankelijk voor manipulatie. Los van de vraag of manipulatie wel/niet mag, of hoe je manipulatie moet definiëren.

Wat achterlijke gladiool. Zelfs "Libor" zal onderdeel van zijn idee marktwerking zijn. Sinds zijn "vrijlating" ist i gewoon onderdeel van het systeem en indien niet dan wordt het weer een paar jaar brommen. Lekker fulmineren en seminarcentjes opstrijken -met de hoed in de hand komt i door het ganse land .......
armstrong is gewoon een autistische dataoutput . Dat je hem ziet als een geschiedenisleraar: soit.

Geen manipulatie? Think like a criminal!